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    <title>ClearNet Security: Unbalanced reliance on prevention</title>
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      <title>Unbalanced reliance on prevention</title>
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On my last several &#8216;exit calls&#8217; for security assessments I&#8217;ve wanted to ask the customer if they had anything alerting them to the activities performed. 
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The obvious need for detection is a tiresome mantra to repeat, given that &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;prevention will always fail&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.  In fact, is it not better to log all activities (e.g. syslog, netflow, successful sessions, etc.) in spite of using prevention tools?  If knowing you&#8217;ve been compromised is a better state that not knowing, then isn&#8217;t it better to pay appropriate attention to all the events versus haphazardly trusting prevention solutions?
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I just finished an external security assessment for a Bank which had an IPS enabled firewall.  They requested two rounds of scanning: one with the IPS features enabled and the other with them disabled.  Results:  no difference.  This from normal to aggressive scanning (full 65k scans, full vuln. scans from multiple tools, few metasploit shots, exhaustive brute forcing, etc.) and without any efforts to be elusive.
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I&#8217;m betting if I ask this client if he noticed any activity spikes or if he was alerted to anything he&#8217;ll say no.  Furthermore, I bet he has nothing setup to help him easily go check.  
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I&#8217;m running across more and more of these where it seems the first indicators of something bad is when actual fraud occurs.  Compromise, theft of data, spread of attackers&#8217; control -- all missed opportunities to &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;detect and contain&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; because of an unbalanced reliance on prevention tools.
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      <pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:01:00 -0700</pubDate>
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      <author>tate@ClearNetSec.com (Tate Hansen)</author>
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